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[Tybo]

 Scion's can suffer double hits by shooting through the head to the sac.  Here's how it works:

Scenario A) The sac is unbroken:

Your shots will hit as follows:  ammo damage, headshot, ammo damage (affected by piercing damage reduction).

Scenario  The sac is broken:

Your shots will hit as follows:  ammo damage, headshot, ammo damage (affected by piercing), bodyshot (affected by piercing)

Here are the numbers from the test:

Scenario A) Sac unbroken:
452ms | Scion damage: 35.279297 // ammo damage no piercing
0ms | Scion damage: 594.759766 // wraith damage no piercing
0ms | Scion damage: 24.695313 // ammo damage piercing

Scenario  Sac broken:
906ms | Scion damage: 115.000000 // ammo damage no piercing
0ms | Scion damage: 1371.250000 // Saber damage no piercing
1ms | Scion damage: 115.000000 // ammo damage piercing
0ms | Scion damage: 853.750000 //Saber damage piercing

Much thanks to OnlyUseMeGI for his help

Edited by tyhw, 15 May 2013 - 01:04 PM.

[NuclearTech76]

Cool.

Have you tested the Praetorian bubble yet or is that upcoming?

[Tybo]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Cool.

Have you tested the Praetorian bubble yet or is that upcoming?

Done.  Writing the post now, its...complicated

[SilentStep79]

um, thanks.

someone get Cyonan in here to confirm...

[Tybo]

silentstep79 wrote...

um, thanks.

someone get Cyonan in here to confirm...

lol

[Caldari Ghost]

so you're saying if i shoot through both critical spots i will deal both critical hits?

[NuclearTech76]

tyhw wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Cool.

Have you tested the Praetorian bubble yet or is that upcoming?

Done.  Writing the post now, its...complicated

Good. I know there have been several questions about it and how it works versus powers, weapons, and debuffs.

[ClydeInTheShell]

Super cool. Any additional advantage I can get vs their shoot-through-cover cannons I'd happily take.

[landylan]

I thought everyone already knew this because it's what I've always done with my javelin. Similarly, you can probably do the same with the brutes shoulder plates through its body or head somehow.

[Caldari Ghost]

Ghostknife72 wrote...

Is it bi-directional?

Meaning, it has to be a shot from the side (roughly) where the head/sac (huh huh...sack) line up. Can it be sack, then head, head then sack, or either? OP said head through the sac, but I'm curious if the converse will work as well.

Thanks, good information.

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[Caldari Ghost]

Ghostknife72 wrote...

Caldari Ghost wrote...

Ghostknife72 wrote...

Is it bi-directional?

Meaning, it has to be a shot from the side (roughly) where the head/sac (huh huh...sack) line up. Can it be sack, then head, head then sack, or either? OP said head through the sac, but I'm curious if the converse will work as well.

Thanks, good information.

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Yea, I just re-read my post after thinking about what I wrote. 

It was bad and I should feel bad.  

meh. it's a game; I'm sure there's a possibility some bug exists somewhere.
no comment on the sexual puns.

Edited by Caldari Ghost, 15 May 2013 - 01:28 PM.

[GriM_AoD]

Good to have my suspicions confirmed.

Nice work

Edited by GriM_AoD, 15 May 2013 - 01:27 PM.

[-Scythe-]

I can confirm this. Knew this pretty quick after collectors came out.

As GI you always search for ways to double/triple hit enemies.

[Caldari Ghost]

Ghostknife72 wrote...

Caldari Ghost wrote...

Ghostknife72 wrote...

Caldari Ghost wrote...

Ghostknife72 wrote...

Is it bi-directional?

Meaning, it has to be a shot from the side (roughly) where the head/sac (huh huh...sack) line up. Can it be sack, then head, head then sack, or either? OP said head through the sac, but I'm curious if the converse will work as well.

Thanks, good information.

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Yea, I just re-read my post after thinking about what I wrote. 

It was bad and I should feel bad.  

meh. it's a game; I'm sure there's a possibility some bug exists somewhere.
no comment on the sexual puns.

I was thinking about the Atlas canopy damage bugs.  But it's a totally different scenario since the canopy doesn't "break" like the sack.  

That being said, though, it be interesting to see if it does work both ways (no pun intended, I swear).  It wouldn't make sense logically since you break the sack first.  But, it could still exist due to a timing glitch (i.e. the software cannot resolve the damage to each section that quickly).

well, as long as the head represents a critical spot, i'm sure hitting it in any sequence is supposed to deal the intended damage.
but i am not an authority on software. the system not being quick enough to register both hits? you'll have to wait for the OP to clarify.

Edited by Caldari Ghost, 15 May 2013 - 01:37 PM.

[Kirrahe Airlines CEO]

Ghostknife72 wrote...

Is it bi-directional?

Meaning, it has to be a shot from the side (roughly) where the head/sac (huh huh...sack) line up. Can it be sack, then head, head then sack, or either? OP said head through the sac, but I'm curious if the converse will work as well.

Thanks, good information.

 That gave me a good laugh. Anyway, you do bring up a good point though, no matter how dirty or naughty it sounds. 

[sobit]

Caldari Ghost wrote...

Ghostknife72 wrote...

Caldari Ghost wrote...

Ghostknife72 wrote...

Is it bi-directional?

Meaning, it has to be a shot from the side (roughly) where the head/sac (huh huh...sack) line up. Can it be sack, then head, head then sack, or either? OP said head through the sac, but I'm curious if the converse will work as well.

Thanks, good information.

........

Yea, I just re-read my post after thinking about what I wrote. 

It was bad and I should feel bad.  

meh. it's a game; I'm sure there's a possibility some bug exists somewhere.
no comment on the sexual puns.

sorry, but I don't get it. Wasn't that a legit question?

And what is wrong with the sexual puns?

[Caldari Ghost]

sobit wrote...

Caldari Ghost wrote...

Ghostknife72 wrote...

Caldari Ghost wrote...

Ghostknife72 wrote...

Is it bi-directional?

Meaning, it has to be a shot from the side (roughly) where the head/sac (huh huh...sack) line up. Can it be sack, then head, head then sack, or either? OP said head through the sac, but I'm curious if the converse will work as well.

Thanks, good information.

........

Yea, I just re-read my post after thinking about what I wrote. 

It was bad and I should feel bad.  

meh. it's a game; I'm sure there's a possibility some bug exists somewhere.
no comment on the sexual puns.

sorry, but I don't get it. Wasn't that a legit question?

And what is wrong with the sexual puns?

nothing wrong with the puns.

well, just because of the nature of software, i guess this is a legit question. otherwise, no.

[Tybo]

Ghostknife72 wrote...

Is it bi-directional?

Meaning, it has to be a shot from the side (roughly) where the head/sac (huh huh...sack) line up. Can it be sack, then head, head then sack, or either? OP said head through the sac, but I'm curious if the converse will work as well.

Thanks, good information.

Good question.  Unfortunately, this was not tested.  I would wager strongly that it would work backwards as well.  Likely scenario would be:

ammo damage
penetration ammo damage
penetration headshot