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[Wavebend]

The Barrier formula for Multiplayer is

max_barrier = (base_weapon + 23) * 24 * (1 + sos_bonus + ring_bonus) * stat_barrier_multiplier

where

base_weapon                   is the staff base weapon damage,
sos_bonus               = 0.5 and only applies if caster has Strength of Spirits,
ring_bonus              = 0.3 and only applies if caster equips the Enhanced Barrier Ring,
stat_barrier_multiplier = 1.0 (a global modifier)

Working example

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Here's an example with a Hakkon Staff with 88 base weapon damage.

base_weapon = 88

With SoS and no ring equipped,

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I should expect:

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By applying the formula, I get:

max_barrier = (base_weapon + 23) * 24 * (1 + sos_bonus + ring_bonus) * stat_barrier_multiplier
= (88 + 23) * 24 * (1 + 0.5 + 0) * 1.0
= 111 * 24 * 1.5 * 1.0
= 3996

It works!

 

With SoS and with the ring equipped,

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I should expect:

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By applying the formula, I get:

max_barrier = (base_weapon + 23) * 24 * (1 + sos_bonus + ring_bonus) * stat_barrier_multiplier
= (88 + 23) * 24 * (1 + 0.5 + 0.3 ) * 1.0
= 111 * 24 * 1.8 * 1.0
= 4795.2

It works!

 

Formula retrieved from extracted LUA Script

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function <guid>( arg1, arg2, arg3)
do
    statCharacter = DA3.GetCasterCharacter(TimelineContext)
    targetCharacter = DA3.GetOwnerCharacter(TimelineContext)
    if DA3.IsMultiplayer() then
        statValue = ((DA3.GetStatTotalValue(statCharacter, BWStat)+23)*24);
    else
        statValue = ((DA3.GetStatTotalValue(statCharacter, BWStat)+10)*48-300);
    end
    Mult = 1;
    SPIRIT_MULT_BONUS = 0.5;
    RING_MULT_BONUS = 0.3;
    if DA3.CharacterHasTimelineTag(statCharacter, BarrierTag) then
        Mult = Mult + SPIRIT_MULT_BONUS;    
    end    
    if DA3.CharacterHasTimelineTag(statCharacter, RingAbilityTag) then
        Mult = Mult + RING_MULT_BONUS;                    
    end
        
    print("compute max barrier - base value: " .. statValue .. ", mult: :", Mult);
    statValue = statValue * Mult;
    
    -- the next multiplier is global, should be applied after all other multipluer
    barrierMultipluer = DA3.GetStatTotalValue(targetCharacter, Stat_Barrier_Multiplier);
    print("compute max barrier - base value: " .. statValue .. ", global mult: :" .. barrierMultipluer .. ", Character: " .. DA3.ToString(targetCharacter));
    
    statValue = statValue * barrierMultipluer;
    return statValue
end

[Hang3d Man]

I can't tell.

Is it working as intended?

[Wavebend]

I can't tell.

Is it working as intended?

 

Yes, it works.

[Maracucho_Ve]

does the barrier ring work for every mage class now?

[Wavebend]

does the barrier ring work for every mage class now?

 

Yes.

 

max_barrier is calculated the same way for every mage class. For instance, you'll get increased barrier damage absorption if you equip the ring on your AW, or better barrier quality for the barrier song if equipped on the Virtuoso..

[Yallegro]

Wavebend delivers.

 

I was still running on the assumption that Strength of Spirits only buffed barrier on the caster.

 

Thought I read that somewhere around here, has this changed or did I read wrong?

[Caldyrvan]

Very useful Sir. As always

[Archaeologist]

Yes.

 

max_barrier is calculated the same way for every mage class. For instance, you'll get increased barrier damage absorption if you equip the ring on your AW, or better barrier quality for the barrier song if equipped on the Virtuoso..

 

Jesus-Promotion-Lording-Christ. I love you

[Angelus_de_Mortiel]

Yes.

 

max_barrier is calculated the same way for every mage class. For instance, you'll get increased barrier damage absorption if you equip the ring on your AW, or better barrier quality for the barrier song if equipped on the Virtuoso..

 

 

This was my suspicion for a long time based purely on presumption and logic. Nice to see hard data proving it. Would this means that the (possibly subjective) relative benefit of Strength of Spirits and the Barrier Ring are better for the Arcane Warrior and Virtuoso as opposed to Elementalist and Keeper, as the abilities of the two former classes grant Barrier as a percentage of the Maximum?

[JiaJM98]

Just out of curiosity, anyone know if Willpower affects barrier at all? E.g. someone with high willpower can cast stronger barrier.

[Wavebend]

Just out of curiosity, anyone know if Willpower affects barrier at all? E.g. someone with high willpower can cast stronger barrier.

 

it doesnt

[JiaJM98]

it doesnt

ah ok thx for the quick reply

[Spectr61]

Wave, excellent.

As usual.

Headhunters bothering you?

If not, they should.

[Wavebend]

Necro'ed threads... *sigh*

[Hang3d Man]

At least when it finally dies you may get revived?

[Thesexyscot]

At least when it finally dies you may get revived?

yes im sure thats exactly what we'l do

[lcneed]

Just out of curiosity, anyone know if Willpower affects barrier at all? E.g. someone with high willpower can cast stronger barrier.

 

 

it doesnt

 

I just know that I get a much much stronger barrier with HoP (85 base damage) than KingFisher (89 base damage).  I always thought that it is because of the extra +49 willpower.

[Wavebend]

I just know that I get a much much stronger barrier with HoP (85 base damage) than KingFisher (89 base damage).  I always thought that it is because of the extra +49 willpower.

 

check the tooltip value and report back

[lcneed]

check the tooltip value and report back

 

I will check it tonight if no one else beat me to it.  I will also check the tooltip when wearing pact belts.   Pact belts increase barrier by a crazy amount.

[JiaJM98]

I will check it tonight if no one else beat me to it.  I will also check the tooltip when wearing pact belts.   Pact belts increase barrier by a crazy amount.

Since when barrier has become electric / fire / ice damage?

 

Are you referring to AW? In that case then yeah, since fade shield gives you barrier as a percentage of your damage dealt. 

 

Lol I noticed how you used pact belt on your barrier bot saarebas multiple times and always wondered why you would put that belt on if you aren't going to make use of the damage. I think it's simply a misconception for you. 

[lcneed]

Since when barrier has become electric / fire / ice damage?

 

Are you referring to AW? In that case then yeah, since fade shield gives you barrier as a percentage of your damage dealt. 

 

Lol I noticed how you used pact belt on your barrier bot saarebas multiple times and always wondered why you would put that belt on if you aren't going to make use of the damage. I think it's simply a misconception for you. 

 

Ah   I guess that why 99% of my mages promotions are on AW!   I did wear pact belt on my Saarebus a few times.. I think that time on HB.. but probably because I forgot to take it off.    It is way too much work to play Saarebus unless it is just botting.   I don't play keeper and virtuoso either because they requires too much timing and work.  AW with pact belt is just the easier and laziest way to play Perilous.  NM, on the other hand, is tricky... that's what I don't do NM.    Once I get over 170 con I will try the other agents and NM.

 

So I guess WP does affect barrier but only for AW.

[JiaJM98]

Once I get over 170 con I will try the other agents and NM.

 

So I guess WP does affect barrier but only for AW.

LOL seriously? I mean, you can probably run NM quite comfortably with 50/50/50, given you have Hakkon weapons and PI. 

 

I still remember the days when I had to farm NM with dragon weapons   The challenge was fun though, and I was much more of a team player back then when I always played support / CC / tank 

[Thesexyscot]

NO1 HAS PI HDGWGDJKBDUILWGDLUJGBHDUIGLWIDWDGUIGW

[lcneed]

LOL seriously? I mean, you can probably run NM quite comfortably with 50/50/50, given you have Hakkon weapons and PI. 

 

I still remember the days when I had to farm NM with dragon weapons   The challenge was fun though, and I was much more of a team player back then when I always played support / CC / tank 

 

Only if there are at least 2 others with me.  I don't start a match that I can't solo since it is quite possible that I will have to solo it.   I am still at 23/25 on my NM dragon challenge.    I will probably finish up the Perilous Storm Dragon one before the NM one.... I solo'ed many of my fire dragon ones.. for some reason people don't like to join when they saw fire dragon..

[JiaJM98]

for some reason people don't like to join when they saw fire dragon..

Then just be considerate towards the newbies and set it to frost